Medizin Aktuell: One thing can at least be said with certainty: all cosmic findings are made without exception through one’s own insight into the worlds of consciousness beyond deep sleep; and on the way of break­ing through our deep sleep, we have to leave be­hind all that we have learned ex­ter­nally, such as kin­der­gar­ten knowl­edge, school knowl­edge, uni­ver­sity knowl­edge etc. like dead, worth­less – al­most re­strict­ing – bal­last.

Bur­dened with any such knowl­edge or men­tal ideas from this world of lim­ited things we teach and learn in our pre­sent so-called civi­lised world, we defi­nitely can­not over­come deep sleep – do I un­der­stand you cor­rectly?

Peter Hübner: Yes. That is why I am talk­ing about “break­ing through the ab­so­lu­te sound bar­rier of our so-called civi­lised world” – which on the whole “li­ves” on a kind of knowl­edge, which is largely out to de­stroy it.
It is im­pos­si­ble to carry some­thing of this nar­row-minded men­tal “junk” or “rub­bish” of this so-called civi­lised world into the highly com­plex or­dered cos­mic worlds, ly­ing be­hind our deep sleep. That is why it is so dif­fi­cult to get there.

Medizin Aktuell: This proba­bly sounds very hard and un­com­fort­able for many –

Peter Hübner: Well, it is – but the re­al­ity of life in this so-called civi­lised world also bears in­cor­rupti­ble wit­ness to the cor­rect­ness of this state­ment.

But it is ab­so­lutely pos­si­ble the other way round, to carry the find­ings and the knowl­edge of these cos­mic worlds and above all: their sub­stan­tial and uni­ver­sal quali­ties and pow­ers on our return into our so-called civi­lised world: into our thinking, into our neuro-physiology, into our body, even into our material surroundings.

And as we are tackling this matter under the aspect of modern scientific medicine, which strives for objective knowledge, some components of the things we bring back are especially interesting when we return from these cosmic worlds beyond deep sleep – these are: harmony of life, energy of life, intelligence of life, vitality, happiness, zest for life, breath of life.

In my opinion, these components will play the major part in the scientific medicine of the future, and they will drive out the aspects of external medical manipulation on this side of deep sleep, i.e. all external physical medical exertion of influence – and the use of equipment in medicine.

For, from a cosmic point of view, the present-day medicine of our so-called civilised world quite often resembles the desire of stupid little pubertal juveniles to help the Creator and/or nature “on their way” – as if they had not been able to create healthy humans with their own divine and/or cosmic powers, and so these scientists, utilising approx. 2% of their brain potential, would now have to help get them on the right track.

Beyond the present ideas in science, life as such is a cosmic light phenomenon, and this is – if you penetrate through without “perishing” beforehand in deep sleep – , as perceptible as our sunlight.

A person who does not penetrate through, resembles a person, who indeed is sitting in the light of the sun, but is wearing a pitch-black pair of glasses, which do not let through any sunlight, and who is also shrouded in a thick overall like an astronaut, not letting through any sunlight at all.
He therefore does not experience the sunlight.

And the same goes for the flame of life and the experience of pure life if a human being always gets stuck with his perception in front of the absolute sound barrier of our so-called civilised world, and is held captive in deep sleep, which is merely prepared to release him into his dream consciousness or his relative wakeful consciousness.

Cosmic faculty of perception has been basically given to us by nature, and our dream and the experiences we have during dreaming supply us with plenty of clues to it.
But the natural cosmic worlds remain closed to us if we do not overcome deep sleep – like gates with seven or more seals –, the first five seals concerning the cosmic worlds of our five senses of perception, and two further ones: those of our feeling, as well as our understanding etc.

But if in these seven cosmic abilities, when breaking through our deep sleep, the lights light up at least, we are doubtlessly a whole step further.